http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8214983338434074911&q=aldo+giovanni+giacomo&hl=enAn der Redaktion des Express,
ich weiß nicht, ob das Ihnen interessieren kann. Ich schicke jedenfalls den Brief, womit ich von meinem Pomotionsverfahren zurückgetreten bin.
Sehr geehrter Herr Dekan,
leider bin ich gezwungen, Ihnen mitzuteilen, dass ich vom meinem laufenden Promotionsverfahren zurückgetreten bin. Da ich in den letzten zwei Tagen kein Glück hatte, Sie im Dekanat anzutreffen, möchte ich Ihnen die Gründe für diese schwerwiegende Entscheidung schriftlich darlegen. Obwohl die Entscheidung das Ergebnis langer Überlegungen und Gewissensanstrengungen ist, versuche ich die zentralen Aspekte kurz und sachlich zu erklären.
Nachdem ich über fünf Jahre bei meinem Doktorvater Prof. Brandt promoviert habe, hatte ich meine Doktorarbeit Anfang Juli abgegeben. Seinem akribischen, zehnseitigen Erstgutachten folgte nun allerdings ein Zweitgutachten von Honorarprofessor Dr. Werner Stark. Dieses Zweitgutachten entspricht in keiner Weise allgemeinen akademischen Bewertungsstandards. Es ist sowohl inhaltlich als auch methodisch völlig unakzeptabel und nicht nachvollziehbar.
Zunächst hatte ich die Absicht, die offensichtlichen Mängel dieses Gutachtens in der Disputation genüsslich öffentlich darzulegen. Nach reiflicher Überlegung habe ich davon allerdings Abstand genommen. Denn es ist nach jahrelangen wissenschaftlichen Arbeitens und Lehrens nicht mehr meine Aufgabe, mich auf diesem Niveau, zumal vor akademischem Publikum, auseinanderzusetzen und einem Marburger Honorarprofessor eine Lektion zu erteilen.
Jeder Philosoph, der das Gutachten Herrn Starks lesen würde, könnte Ihnen bestätigen, dass es ausschließlich oberflächliche Allgemeinkritik enthält und sich inhaltlich in keiner Weise mit der Arbeit auseinandersetzt. Die Krönung dieses Vorgehens ist in der von ihm angehefteten Bibliographie zu sehen, die dem geschulten Augen sofort verrät, dass er die genannte Literatur vielleicht vom Titel („Necessit*“, „Notwendig*“), auf keinen Fall aber vom Inhalt her kennen kann. Damit disqualifiziert er sich selbst als Zweitgutachter. Ich habe damals leider Herrn Stark mangels fachlicher Alternativen unbedacht selbst vorgeschlagen. Hätte ich seine Schwäche in der Begutachtung geahnt, hätte ich natürlich eine unbelastete Person gewählt.
Man muss bedenken, dass ich nach meinen Studien in Mailand und in Paris nur wegen des internationalen bekannten Kant-Experten Prof. Brandt nach Marburg kam. Nach langen Jahren harter Arbeit empfinde ich es als Kränkung nun von jemand bewertet zu werden, dem offensichtlich die korrekte Einstellung zur Gutachtertätigkeit abhanden geht.
Es ist klar, dass meine Entscheidung vor allem zu meinen eigenen Lasten geht, da ich mit der Arbeit wegen der vorsichtlichen Sperre nun nicht mehr promovieren kann. Trotz dieses Nachteils veröffentliche ich lieber die Arbeit als einfache Monografie und promoviere an einer anderen Universität mit einem neuen Thema, als hier in Marburg unter diesen unwürdigen Bedingungen ein ungeeignetes und unfaires Prüfungsverfahren zu durchlaufen.
Falls Sie die Sache persönlich besprechen möchten, bin ich dazu gerne bereit. Allerdings muss ich ehrlicherweise bereits jetzt darauf hinweisen, dass meine Entscheidung feststeht und endgültig ist. Prof. Brandt ist informiert und erhält eine Kopie dieses Schreibens.
Hochachtungsvoll,
koan pattern
Most of us have arrived at this particular point in our spiritualjourney with a little extra baggage about passion, love, and sex, andI have noticed that many people on the spiritual path have a tendencyin the mind to create a polarisation or a separation between thespiritual path and the sexual life. There a number of ways in whichthis polarisation and confusion is reinforced. One of those ways isthat we continue to subscribe to a collective cultural belief and mythperpetuated through Christianity, which is the predominant source ofmyth in our culture, about the fall of Eve. As you know, in thestory, Eve touched and ate of the forbidden fruit in the Garden ofEden and gave it to Adam, a symbolic gesture. Eve was portrayed as atemptress, a seducer, and she has been held responsible for the fallfrom heavenly grace; her sacred flesh has been falsely blamed for theevils of mankind for generations.This belief system is entrenched and deep-seated and runs through ourwhole society, even today. It is reflected in our present mythsaround sexual abuse and assault. In my work as a therapist in thatfield I noticed about ninety per cent of victimsprimarily womenwould often come away from an assault feeling that they were to blame.Its the only crime in our society where the victim walks away feelinglike somehow they did something wrong, that they are to blame. Theywould often say things like, If only I hadnt stayed back at thatparty, If only I hadnt walked down that street, If only I hadntworn that particular dress, If only I hadnt got in the car andtaken a lift home with that person, then maybe it wouldnt havehappened. We also hear offenders saying, She deserved it, She ledme on, She asked for it, She encouraged me. In some ways womenare still carrying the collective blame for abuse and sexual assaultin our society. All of us are still redeeming the body of Eve, eventoday: I see an enormous amount of that in therapy.Another factor that contributes to the disconnectedness ofspirituality and sexuality is the notion of a body/mind/spirit split.It is as if this kind of thinking, this compartmentalising of life, insome way perpetuates the notion that the body and the passions of theflesh belong to the lower realms, and the flesh needs to betranscended to realise the spirit. This kind of thinking is verydualistic and hierarchical in nature. The orthodox religious mind hasseparated the physical from the spiritual, the sensual from the soul.Rejection of the body became a common article of faith among theworlds religions, and orthodox religion has never managed to enjoythe innocence and delight of physical beauty and sensuality. Even inour own Zen history there is the story of a nun who was a verybeautiful woman, stunningly beautiful, and who went to the monasteryto become a nun, and who was rejected. She went three times and shewas rejected each time, because, they told her, she was too beautiful,she would corrupt the monks. The tragic story is that she was sointent on being a nun that she took a hot iron and put it to her face,scarred her face, just so that she could enter the nunnery.This repressed rejection of physical beauty and attraction by orthodoxreligious authorities has contributed to religions obsession withcelibacy and its condemnation of enjoying and beautifying the body.Not so long ago, Christian monks would have to make confession to thepriest about masturbation. It was considered a sinful act toexperience the normality of sexual arousal in the body. The flesh hadto be subdued and conquered. We can laugh about that now, but itsnot so long ago in our history.At the other end of the spectrum from the religious orthodox attitudeis our Western consumer cultures attitude to the flesh and the body,which has made a devotional practice of adorning the body. On themarket we have endless products available for every single region ofthe body, from the hair, to the skin, to the lips, to the breasts, tothe genitals, to the toenails. The human body from head to toe hasbecome an instrument of profit, a multibillion dollar industry.From these two extremes we are not modelled very healthy ways ofrelating to the physical, sensual nature of the body. On one side,the religious view of transcending the flesh and treating it assinful, and on the other side the endless adoring of the body, fussingover its appearances in order to prolong life, which denies thenatural ageing process. One of my teachers, Christopher Titmuss, whois of the Red Thread school, said, Religion has been unwilling to seethe sensual forces and the spirit as interconnected. Those who areobsessed with preserving their looks and sexual attraction cannot seepast their breasts and genitals, while others cannot see therelationship between their genitals and spirituality. Both miss amarriage of the flesh and spirit.Many years agomaybe not that many years agoI certainly engaged inwild and promiscuous sexual behaviour myself, that caused havoc withmy relationships and caused immense suffering to me and to others. Isuffer deep remorse and regret for what was clearly a breaking of thethird precept, concerning sexual misconduct. In reaction, in a way,to that part of the wild woman in me and in an attempt to make surethat conduct never happened again, I decided to install a kind ofpolicewoman in my psyche. A bit like Hannya: in Japanese temples theyhave wonderful little demons in the corner, with a sword, littlefierce demons called Hannya. So I decided to adopt one of those in mypsyche, and my policewoman was available at any moment to cut downthat sexual desire or fantasy the moment it arose. No, you are notgoing to think about that! Phoom! This went on for some time;while, as I said, I suffered deep guilt and remorse.This path eventually culminated in my taking of the robes in SriLanka, and ordaining as a Buddhist nun. I had really long hair then,longer than it is now, and I went from long hair to no hair at all. ASwiss nun had the wonderful opportunity of shaving my head. I thoughtin some way shaving my head was maybe shaving off some of my vanity.But after I shaved my head it was the most exhilarating experience. Idont know if some of you have had that experience, but the head is sosensitive when it hasnt got any hair on it, that it was like standingunder a shower where you could feel every little drop, every littledrop. So I was walking around with a smile, a grin, from ear to earfor days and days. This was a very joyous time and an incrediblysensual experiencelike being born again. So I couldnt even escapethat way. I thought I was going to be a nun; I thought I was going toescape having to deal with all that sensuality stuff; and shaving myhead ended up being one of the most sensual experiences.My policewoman served me well for about ten years. But that too haddevastating effects. In some way it was like cutting off a deep partof myself. The shadow comes back in the form of erotic fantasies,attractions, romantic projections, that haunt us until we understandthat there is something very deep there that needs our attention. Formany of us our sexual vitality is a mysterious life-force which seemsto operate under its own laws. Vows of celibacy do not subdue oursexual energies, nor are they contained in the holy vows of matrimony.Sexual feelings have a way of asserting themselves even in the mostpious minds, even in the most unlikely circumstances orsituationseven here in sesshin people have wonderful fantasies. Ifwe do not integrate the mind, body, flesh, and spirit, the spiritualwill always struggle with the physical, one attempting to claimsovereignty over the other, and life becomes a struggle and effort toconquer the passions in the name of the sacred. We do agree to becelibate here in sesshin, but the purpose of that is not to suppresssexual feelings or desires but simply to provide an opportunity for usto be completely alone, and experience other expressions of deepintimacy with this undivided nature.Our own lay practice has its roots in the monastic tradition andlineage of monks and nuns who take vows of celibacy, which does notreally speak to us or help us deal with the intensity of love,passion, and desire. But the intensity is there, and it rises up. Itdoes not help us deal with that energy in our daily lives. In the 17000 koans in our curriculumsome of you are looking a little amazed atthat!there are three of four koans relating to sexuality. It barelygets a mention. Yet love and sex and passion are so potent energiesthat really have a huge impact on our lives. I know that I have spentmany years at retreats and I dont think I have ever met a teacher, upuntil recently, who would open their mouth about sex and love andpassion, particularly in a retreat.So what is the Tao of love, passion, and sex? A few koans or storiesat least give us some direction or insight into the sensual nature ofthe Tao. Unfortunately these three koans get repeated every timesomeone gives a talk about this. . . . Anyway, one of themiscellaneous koans is, Why are perfectly enlightened bodhisattvasattached to the vermilion thread? The vermilion thread is the redthread, and the red thread is symbolic: I have recently learned thatit is not the line of tears , as I used to think, but it comes fromearly China, where the geisha girls and courtesans would wear a redgarter on their thigh, as the line of passions. So: Why areperfectly enlightened bodhisattvas attached to the vermilion thread?One of the characters I want to introduce you to is a wonderfulcharacter in the Zen tradition, called Ikkyu, who is one of mylongstanding and favourite Zen masters and who appeals, I guess, tothe wild woman in me. He was born in 1394 and was an illegitimate sonof the emperor Go-komatsu. He was known by some as the emperor ofrenegades, a wild wandering monk and teacher, sometimes called CrazyCloud. He was a lover, a poet, and he could write very tenderly aboutthe beauty of women. He relentlessly attacked the hypocrisy of thethen corrupt Zen establishment, and even had women as his students. Ithink he was one of the first Zen masters to have women as students;that was considered quite radical. It was in the brothels and geishahouses that he developed the Red Thread Zen, a notion he borrowed fromthe old Chinese master Kido and extended to deep and subtle levels ofrealisation. This very body is the lotus of the true law. This verybody is the lotus of the true law, linking human beings to birth anddeath by the red thread of passion. This approach was closely relatedto Tantric Buddhism, that used sexual union as a religious ritual.Ikkyus Red Thread form of Zen practice was a radical approach, anon-dualistic interpretation of the sexual act, realising this verybody is the Buddha-dharma. Ikkyu wrote a poem after his firstrealisation experience:From the world of passions returning to the world of passions:There is a moments pause.If it rains, let it rain; if the wind blows, let it blow.Ikkyus Red Thread Zen and wild, poetic, passionate nature was alsotempered, though, by his extensive training in the Rinzai school, veryintense training. Rinzai was a very strict master, and Ikkyu was verystrict and demanding with his own students.At the age of 77, Ikkyu had a passionate relationship with a mistressnamed Lady Shin. She was a blind singer and composer and a veryskilled musician, and she was in her late thirties. He wrote lots ofbeautiful graphic poetry celebrating their love, and it was in LadyShin that Ikkyu finally located his own missing female self. AsManfred Steger commented in his book Crazy Clouds, Ikkyu incorporatedbold elements of the physical relationship into his teaching of Zen,playing on koans in an erotic context, and bound the manifest andessential worlds in a love-knot. His radical methods and practiceshonoured women and the red thread that binds even the most enlightenedZen masters to passion, birth, and death. Ikkyu celebrated the joy inhuman love, and within sexuality there lies a profound sacredpractice, similar to Tantric Buddhism. He infused Zen for the firsttime with a feminine element that had long been missing. When Ikkyuwas about 80 years old that he was asked to be the abbot of Daitokoji,which is one the great temples in Japan. At that time it wascompletely in ruin from a civil war, so it was an extraordinary thingto do at 80 years old, to rebuild Daitokoji: which he did. He had anextraordinary enlightened mind.Another great character and master is Chao-chou, and he has somecomments about the passions. After master Chao-chou visited MountWu-tai, his teaching spread widely in north China. He was invited tostay at the Kuan Yin monastery in his own native town of Chao-chou.He came to the assembly and said, It is as if a transparent crystalwere held in ones hand. When a foreigner approaches it, it mirrorshim as such; when a native Chinese approaches it, it mirrors him assuch. I take a stalk of grass and let it act as a golden-bodied one,sixteen feet high, and I take a golden-bodied one, sixteen feet highand let it act as a stalk of grass. Buddhahood is passion, andpassion is Buddhahood.During his sermon a monk asked him, In whom does Buddha causepassion? Chao-chou said, Buddha causes passion in all of us.The monk asked, How do we get rid of it?Chao-chou said, Why should we get rid of it?Its not some great enlightenment verse, but it seems at least topoint some of the way in our daily lives.Another story that Aitken Roshi has told a number of times, a moreclassical story, also points at and disapproves of puritanicalreligious attitudes to sex. In ancient days an old woman madeoffering to a hermit over a period of twenty years, and one day shesent her sixteen-year-old niece to take food to the hermit, tellingher to make advances to him and to see what he would do. So the girllay her head on the hermits lap and said, How is this?The hermit said, The withered tree is rooted in an ancient rock inbitter cold during winter months; there is no warmth, no life.The girl reported this to her aunt, and the old woman said, Thatvulgarian! How outrageous! To think that I have made offerings tohim for twenty years!So she drove the hermit away and burnt down his cottage. As AitkenRoshi said in his commentary on the third precept, of sexualmisconduct, While we may question the use of the niece as bait totest the monks realisation, it is clear that the aunt fundamentallydisapproves. The monk was not responding to the human being who laydown there on his lap. He was using her to express his own asceticposition. The fire is a dream symbol of sex: You dont belong here!Sex belongs here!or at least some acknowledgment of it. So: whatwould your response be?I wish to emphasise that not cutting off the passions is not asuggestion to violate the third precept. It is not a matter of sexualmisconduct. There is a translation of the third precept by Thich NahtHanh which I think is particularly beautiful. Aware of the sufferingcaused by sexual misconduct, I vow to cultivate responsibility andlearn ways to protect the safety and integrity of individuals,couples, family, and society. I am determined not to engage in sexualrelations without love and long-term commitment. To preserve thehappiness of myself and others, I am determined to respect mycommitments and the commitments of others. I will do everything in mypower to protect children from sexual abuse and to protect couples andfamilies from being broken by sexual misconduct.Not cutting off the passions, for me now, after having gone from oneextreme to the other, is more like walking a fine line of integrity.When we deepen in our spiritual practice, our hearts become more andmore open. We have such rich and deep connections with people, withone another, truly deep loving intimacy. So how to keep that dooropen, how to keep that heartfelt life there, but not be seduced by thepower and attraction of that intimacy?Because it is in that deepintimacy, of course, that sexual attraction and energy can arise andemerge. So how to maintain an integrity in that intimacy, and be trueto our feelings of love for one another, and not fall into that wellof sexual misconduct? My own job as a therapist and teacher, ofcourse, is to create deep connections of intimacy, and that doeshappen with many people, and it is certainly wonderful and rich.Wonderful connections with people are possible in that situation. ButI have many boundaries and ethics that I apply in those situations,particularly through my psychotherapy training. There are very strictethics around that relationship. You never engage in sexualrelationships with any client; even six months after you terminatewith a client, this is not OK. But while I can keep those strictboundaries and ethics there, when I am in those roles, outside ofthose roles it is more difficult for me. Then the heart is wide open;where then are the boundaries? I know my shadow is that I fall inlove all the time, with lots of people.Whatever emerges from our lives has its roots in Buddha-nature. Solet us gassh and be grateful for our sexuality, the creative energiesthat it releases to our receptive heart and mind. We do not need toblock our sexual energies, nor do we need to be a slave to them.Sexual energy in a loving committed relationship with its fusion oflove, play, magic, ecstasy, is life celebrating life. This respectfulcommunion of the sexual act may reveal the divine mystery rather thanjust simply be pleasurable, entertaining sensations. What makes thedifference is our intentions, our love, our faith, and the attitudesthat we bring to this experience. If we hold a reverence for life, anawareness of our interconnectedness and oneness, and we experience theother as none other than our very selves, the shared joy of lovemakingis a spiritual meeting of the flesh and spirit. The boundaries of aseparate self can fall away and life is making love with life. TheBuddha-tao is to be discovered in our daily lives, the sacred is to befound in the ordinary, and the ordinary in the sacred. ChristopherTitmuss was great on one-liners, and he said, The bedroom becomes atemple of joy, and the sacred truth can be found equally between thebedsheets as in the holy books. (I told you he was from the RedThread school.)There is a koan that I would like to finish with by Rainer Maria Rilke,just a short line out of a long poem, quoted in the book called TheEnlightened Heart:Isnt the secret intentof this great Earth, when it forces lovers together,that inside their boundless emotion all things may shudder with joy?May all beings venerate life as a state of deep spiritual intimacy.Here in the fields: just those young green fronds making their way outof the earth. This is so sensual and beautiful; this is the greatsensual nature all around us. Please enjoy it!
tmibaba
ha gondolod johetsz haverhoz.
[11:33:25 PM] pua says: szia csoka
[11:33:51 PM]pua says: te hiszel a csakrakban?
[11:34:13 PM] pua says: na mindegy, talaltam egy erdekes dolgot, veled kapcsolatban az egyik csakra oldalon
[11:34:58 PM] pua says: nem tudom, talan le lennel shokkolva, ha ezt megmutatnam neked holnap, szoval inkabb nem mutatom meg majd
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Hi !
Do you want an SHB 10.5 ? Because I want, and if we both have the same goal, why don't meet and help each other to develop ourselves?
I am since 1.5 years in the community. I am only interested in daygame, in London.
Before discovering the community I was quite lucky with women but I also had some problems.
I am becoming more and more succesful with women and I like this feeling very much.
I want to overcome my sticking points: daygame opening, rapport, calibration. I plan to
record my day sarges on video with a hidden camera, and I also record them on mp3
with an iPod, so that I can analize them later, so that I learn faster. I am looking for wings,
who are interested in daygame in London and in recording the sarges on camera.
Bests,
Kilincs
irc in theplace.bz
does anybody here uses hypnosis/nlp succesfully in sarges? I am especially interested in trust/rapport/bf destroyers/compulsion patterns.
because I have this interesting problem: I sleep with a girl, but only sleep, no kiss, nothing, even lack of IOIs, interest, but kino goes.
at a cuddle party?
this happens to me several times.
are you mehow? ;)
* theuser whistles innocently
mehow? no.
heh
so you end up in bed with girls but you dont touch?
I guess, I have no rapport with them at all, only attraction and curiosity and mystery
I touch, I can touch, but they do not want to kiss, no sex, nothing.
did you spank her
Emotional ocnnection lacks, big sticking point of mine.
spank?
get into bantering, i spank her
I busted on her so much I could.
or grab & pull her hair... tell her: "Bad girl!"
exactly, do that early
In a group I told about her, actually I think she has a dick.
Just look at her. Looks like a man.
that doesn't come across as being playful
that sounds more like an insult than a neg
Well. It was playful cos the situation, bodylanguage, tonality and such.
true, maybe you should go grab her crotch for her illusionary dick/scrotum
It was really funny.
I guess, I have no rapport with them at all, only attraction and curiosity and mystery
Well, actually there was already a little fingering and such, when we slept together, but no really sign of her getting hot, horny and wanting.
i would assume you had rapport and no attraction if you were in bed with them and nothing was happening
hmmmm..... interesting tought.
i don't know how that happened
confusing.
they're obviously comfortable enough to sleep with you
doesn't she get horny when she wakes up? ;)
just whip out your dick and start jerking off
i used lot of swingcat's material.
just the fact that you spend the nite there together... i don't see how you can't fuck her the next morning
she also has a bf
what is swingcat material?
wait, so this is only with one girl?
Chemist: why? you've been with more than one girl?!
* theuser shakes his head in disbelief
MANSLUT!
Chemist: well, I begin to feel that I lack the ability to build rapport in general, after I have realised this with this girl.
if its rapport you want, get the new kenrick cleveland course
which one?
max pers?
breakthroughs
you and me are on the same wavelenght, cos I just wanted to try that out. (good line?)
yeah, just use the suicide pattern on her
okey. I will get that.
(bwahahah)
dark side? cool.
is all KC's stuff as gay as the forbidden patterns?
that was seriously the lamest thing i've come across in all my travels
actually, has anybody of you guys used the compulsion pattern or st similar to seduce chicks?
I don't know. that is the reason I ask, if anybody used this nlp stuff/anchoring/patterning succesfully?
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tons of people here use it
who is real expert about this stuff?
the guys who have products
how do I find it out, who has products?
pimp or xan if you want to know about nlp
okey.
http://www.theplace.bz/browse.php?cat=43
I just spoke to pimp 2 days ago.
He is in London.
or subie
thanx!
take a look on the forums, theres some stuff there
do you use nlp, Chemist?
all the time, not just with girls
do you use anchoring?
yep
like, you elicit a feeling of compulsion, then later anchor that to you.
what is the most powerfull pattern in nlp that you use on girls?
well, whatever emotion really. I wouldnt do compulsion, mainly just enjoyable states.
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how do you anchor them to you?
How about more of Making Love to Men?
Giving a worldclass BJ?
its not really about patterns, its about calibration
anything that you do can be an anchor
any external stimulus that you provide
what do you mean by this? can you tell an example?
Chemist: what about NLP that makes it works so well?
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what do I mean by external stimulus?
theuser: its based upon getting da cok
bandler said so
Chemist, Question: I was thinking, I elicit a feeling, and anchor it to me. Like she wants to drink water, very very thirsty, and cannot drink it, then I place an anchor this feeling, like slapping with my hands, then I begin to talk about me, how other girls get satisfaction, when they are with me, and I keep fireing that anchor(slapping).
Chemist: i'm skeptical, i wonder if NLP is just a way for the guy to babble on, the passage of time builds comfort
bandlers a dick
Is this right?
theuser: its possible, I guess its mysterious and all that :p
you want to anchor her being thirsty to you?
yeah, sorta DHV in that the girl probably doesn't know about mysterious stuff
I want to anchor, the feeling that she want to have something, but cannot have that.
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So she wants to reach for more of me.
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I suppose if you took the thirsty thing and then expanded it with your language/metaphors to a sexual frame then you could anchor it to you.
wow, style
expand?
can you give me an example, how you would expand it?
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hmm
TxSurfer is uploading some fresh stuff!
boy i can't wait to read me some of that
and he has the coveted Annhilation DVDs
ambiguous terms, vagueness, depends on the person
yeah, pretty ambigous :-)
txsurfer is the runnerup to the stylelife challenge
anyway, I go to work now, thanx guys.
supposedly
later
later
right, im off to molest camels...
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cold reading + qualify + quote
[10:36:12 PM] Babapua says: baba[10:38:36 PM] Babapua says: hej! bist du da?[10:39:30 PM] timcsoka says: hali[10:39:33 PM] timcsoka says: ja woll[10:39:56 PM] Babapua says: atjossz?[10:40:26 PM] timcsoka says: nein[10:40:40 PM] timcsoka says: ich muss lernen[10:40:58 PM] Babapua says: pedig megoleltelek volna[10:41:45 PM] Babapua says: mert tetszik egy ket dolog benned[10:42:11 PM] timcsoka says: megmondod hogy mi?[10:42:15 PM] Babapua says: erzekeny lany vagy, keves ilyen ember van.[10:42:52 PM] timcsoka says: ennyi?amig leirod elmegyek lezuhanyozni[10:42:54 PM] Babapua says: mar reg talalkoztam ilyennel, sokaknak az a problemajuk, hogy nem birnak kinyilni.[10:43:07 PM] timcsoka says: hmm igen[10:43:30 PM] timcsoka says: nekem ilyen gondom nincs[10:43:49 PM] Babapua says: ugyanis eppen ma beszeltem egy baratommal rolad[10:44:10 PM] timcsoka says: és mit?[10:44:45 PM] Babapua says: a beszelgetes utan jottem ra, hogy kivancsi vagyok arra, hogy milyen gyerekkorod volt, es a szuleidre is, milyen a kapcsolatod a szuleiddel[10:50:15 PM] Babapua says: he, itt vagy?[11:06:16 PM] timcsoka says: na itt vagyok[11:08:51 PM] Babapua says: elalmosodtam[11:09:39 PM] timcsoka says: aludj[11:09:45 PM] timcsoka says: joéjt[11:09:56 PM] Babapua says: kosz.[11:10:04 PM] Babapua says: alszol?[11:10:20 PM] timcsoka says: nem[11:10:34 PM] timcsoka says: szted akkor hogy irnék neked?[11:10:42 PM] Babapua says: baba[11:12:13 PM] Babapua says: mielott elalszom, elmondom, hogy szerintem te szeretsz revuletbe esni.[11:13:07 PM] Babapua says: szerintem te mely erzesu szemelyiseg vagy, ertekeled a szepet.[11:13:27 PM] Babapua says: szereted a szineket.[11:13:43 PM] Babapua says: es szeretsz almodozni.[11:14:13 PM] Babapua says: ezeket a dolgokat szeretem benned.[11:14:32 PM] Babapua says: es szereted a termeszetet.[11:14:56 PM] Babapua says: eleg ritka ez a kombinacio.[11:16:11 PM] Babapua says: ez egy kicsit meg is ijeszt, mert talan tul jol megertesz, kitalalod a titkaimat[11:16:58 PM] Babapua says: keves ember van aki szamara kinyilsz.[11:17:09 PM] Babapua says: eloszor meg kell biznod ezekben az emberekben.[11:17:33 PM] Babapua says: biztosnak kell lenned abban, hogy megertenek.[11:17:35 PM] Babapua says: ismernek.[11:18:37 PM] timcsoka says: pontosan igy van[11:18:53 PM] timcsoka says: de te is ilyen vagy szerintem[11:21:22 PM] Babapua says: ezek a dolgok azok, ami miatt erdekelsz nagyon, a baratom is pont ezt kerdezte ma tolem[11:22:33 PM] timcsoka says: melyik barátod?[11:22:51 PM] Babapua says: robin[11:23:08 PM] Babapua says: most londonban van[11:23:14 PM] Babapua says: 2 het mulva meglatogatom[11:23:28 PM] Babapua says: amikor cam-be megyek[11:24:31 PM] Babapua says: kicsit meglepett a kerdese, mert sokszor belem lat[11:25:43 PM] timcsoka says: de ,[11:25:51 PM] timcsoka says: de mit kérdezett?[11:26:08 PM] Babapua says: szoktam neki meselni a noimrol[11:26:38 PM] Babapua says: tud olvasni a sorok kozott, azt kerdezte, hogy mert erdekel engem ez a magyar lany annyira[11:27:26 PM] timcsoka says: aha értem már[11:31:33 PM] Babapua says: tudja, hogy volt mar olyan kb 1 eve es ket honapja velem, hogy valakivel voltam, aki nem volt annyira helyes mint, azok a lanyok akikkel altalaban kavarni szoktam, viszont szubjektiven, nagyon vonzonak sot gyonyuren talaltam, ugy ereztem, hogy el vagyok varazsolva[11:35:56 PM] timcsoka says: és ez most rám értendő?[11:36:01 PM] timcsoka says: vagy mi?[11:36:49 PM] timcsoka says: hahó[11:37:09 PM] timcsoka says: na most lépek akkor[11:37:14 PM] timcsoka says: pápá[11:37:16 PM] Babapua says: mielott erre a kerdesre valaszolok, hadd mondjak el meg valamit: tobbnyire ezek azok a pillanatok (amit leirtam), amikor valami elkezd megfogni, akkor azt mondom magamnak, hej, jobb lesz megallni, sot talan egy falat is felhuzni magam kore, mert ha visszaemlekszem arra, hogy milyen szenvedelyes tudok lenni, ha talalok valakit, akit elvarazsolok, akkor rogton rajovok, hogy az ilyen erzesek nagyon megegethetik az embert, jobb lesz veluk vigyazni.[11:37:21 PM] timcsoka says: (hi)[11:37:50 PM] timcsoka says: igen[11:37:59 PM] timcsoka says: ez igy van[11:38:19 PM] timcsoka says: de ha nem engeded h elvarázsolva legyél[11:38:39 PM] timcsoka says: késöbb rossz lesz rá visszaemlékezni[11:38:53 PM] timcsoka says: h kihagytad stb...[11:39:10 PM] Babapua says: hmmm[11:39:16 PM] timcsoka says: na mind1[11:39:22 PM] timcsoka says: most lépek[11:39:28 PM] timcsoka says: tanulnom kell[11:39:30 PM] Babapua says: hova?[11:39:33 PM] timcsoka says: csum[11:39:34 PM] Babapua says: jo.[11:39:38 PM] Babapua says: szia
cold reading
baba[11:12:13 PM] Babapua says: mielott elalszom, elmondom, hogy szerintem te szeretsz revuletbe esni.[11:13:07 PM] Babapua says: szerintem te mely erzesu szemelyiseg vagy, ertekeled a szepet.[11:13:27 PM] Babapua says: szereted a szineket.[11:13:43 PM] Babapua says: es szeretsz almodozni.[11:14:13 PM] Babapua says: ezeket a dolgokat szeretem benned.[11:14:32 PM] Babapua says: es szereted a termeszetet.[11:14:56 PM] Babapua says: eleg ritka ez a kombinacio.[11:16:11 PM] Babapua says: ez egy kicsit meg is ijeszt, mert talan tul jol megertesz, kitalalod a titkaimat[11:16:58 PM] Babapua says: keves ember van aki szamara kinyilsz.[11:17:09 PM] Babapua says: eloszor meg kell biznod ezekben az emberekben.[11:17:33 PM] Babapua says: biztosnak kell lenned abban, hogy megertenek.[11:17:35 PM] Babapua says: ismernek.[11:18:37 PM] timcsoka says: pontosan igy van
perfekt example of cocky and funny with HB8.5HUN_goodass
[17:25:49] Titok Babapua says: hi baba[17:26:15] timcsoka says: haliho[17:26:35] Titok Babapua says: tegnap a szaunaban gondoltam ratok[17:26:45] timcsoka says: wow[17:27:09] Titok Babapua says: vannak vicces fotoid rolunk?[17:27:23] timcsoka says: no[17:27:34] timcsoka says: mizu?[17:27:48] Titok Babapua says: a guiseppe partijan csinaltal egy parat, azokat kerem[17:28:10] timcsoka says: ok[17:28:21] Titok Babapua says: gyertek el szaunazni, ha kitudjatok izzadni a 13 eurot fejenkent[17:28:37] Titok Babapua says: egesz napos program.[17:28:49] Titok Babapua says: wellness[17:29:18] Titok Babapua says: holnap megyek fogorvoshoz, jobb fent hatul fajdogal[17:29:31] Titok Babapua says: erzekeny, edesre, meg hidegre.[17:29:58] timcsoka says: lyukas[17:30:04] timcsoka says: valoszinüleg[17:30:08] Titok Babapua says: basszameg.[17:30:12] Titok Babapua says: alig van penzem.[17:30:18] Titok Babapua says: na mindegy. meglatjuk.[17:30:21] Titok Babapua says: holnap megyek.[17:30:22] timcsoka says: pedig az nem occso[17:30:30] Titok Babapua says: raadasul valami nagy fog.[17:30:36] timcsoka says: aha[17:30:44] Titok Babapua says: tiszta para.[17:30:48] Titok Babapua says: na mindegy[17:30:50] timcsoka says: és mér egész napos program a szauna?[17:31:11] Titok Babapua says: nekem tobbnyire 4 oraig szokott tartani 7-11 ig.[17:31:23] Titok Babapua says: viszont az mindig kevesnek bizonyul[17:31:33] Titok Babapua says: 4-11 idalis, ha tobben vagyunk[17:32:14] timcsoka says: háén max két orat szoktam szaunázni[17:32:28] timcsoka says: tovább már unom[17:32:34] Titok Babapua says: igen. ez itt talan mas.[17:32:52] timcsoka says: mer? aranybol van a kabin?[17:32:58] Titok Babapua says: itt van 5 szauna. medence, jakuzzi, bar, 3 pihenoszoba... stb[17:33:08] Titok Babapua says: ezert ilyen kibaszott draga[17:33:13] timcsoka says: az otthon is van[17:33:20] timcsoka says: ahova én járok[17:33:31] timcsoka says: és nem 13 e[17:33:42] Titok Babapua says: hmmm.... erdekes. akkor te kulonbozol tolem.[17:33:54] Titok Babapua says: agyak....[17:33:56] Titok Babapua says: takarok[17:34:11] Titok Babapua says: lefekszel lazulni minden session utan egy orat....[17:34:19] Titok Babapua says: gyorsan telik az ido.[17:34:29] Titok Babapua says: tegnap csak 2 orat nyomtam.[17:34:50] Titok Babapua says: es ugy ereztem magam, hogy hirtelen nagyon hektikus es stresszes lett az elet.[17:34:57] Titok Babapua says: 3 session[17:35:29] Titok Babapua says: vagy csak 2? mar nem tudom.[17:36:03] * Titok Babapua sent file "08 - David Carradine and Uma Thurma - the Legend of Pai Mei.mp3" to members of this chat[17:36:32] * Titok Babapua sent file "Méhek - Barbie.mp3" to members of this chat[17:37:14] * Titok Babapua sent file "Dj Palotai -01- Don Air - Besame Mucho.mp3" to members of this chat[17:37:59] Titok Babapua says: es veled baba?[17:38:16] timcsoka says: most értem haza[17:38:25] timcsoka says: bp-ről[17:38:34] Titok Babapua says: kiraly[17:38:37] timcsoka says: de visszamennék[17:38:39] Titok Babapua says: irigyellek[17:38:45] timcsoka says: jah[17:38:58] Titok Babapua says: jo neked, van idod, penzed utazgatni.[17:39:07] Titok Babapua says: mondjuk en egyiptomba mennek inkab.[17:39:21] timcsoka says: szüleim fizetik[17:39:26] Titok Babapua says: kiraly[17:39:29] timcsoka says: amugy nem birnám itt[17:39:35] Titok Babapua says: kellemes hely budapest.[17:39:38] timcsoka says: ha nem mehetnék haza[17:39:41] timcsoka says: ja[17:39:52] Titok Babapua says: lehet h. majd en is elmegyek oda nyaralni egy kicsit, jovore[17:40:02] Titok Babapua says: vegulis beszelem a nyelvet stb.[17:40:19] timcsoka says: uhum[17:40:36] Titok Babapua says: olcso hely.[17:40:42] Titok Babapua says: jok a fogorvosok.[17:40:57] Titok Babapua says: viszont keves szabadsagom lesz cam-ben[17:41:00] Titok Babapua says: baszki[17:41:25] Titok Babapua says: meglatjuk, lehet h. valami egyuttmukodest kellene titalalni a budapestiekkel.[17:41:33] Titok Babapua says: hmm.... nem is rossz otlet.[17:41:57] timcsoka says: jaaa[17:42:11] Titok Babapua says: jaaa[17:42:29] timcsoka says: fuuu mondj meg nekem valamit[17:42:33] Titok Babapua says: mi?[17:42:58] timcsoka says: mit lehet itt marburgban csinálni???? most jöttem meg és már unatkozom..[17:43:03] Titok Babapua says: amugy ezt szeretem benned, a sok hibad mellett, +3 pont.[17:43:07] timcsoka says: otthon ilyen nincs[17:43:30] timcsoka says: milyen hibáim vannak?[17:43:41] Titok Babapua says: ha gondolod vehetsz valami kajat es fozhetunk, nekem semmi kajam otthon.[17:44:10] timcsoka says: meglátjuk[17:44:30] Titok Babapua says: 8 fele, addigra megehezem[17:45:09] Titok Babapua says: hogy mit azt rad bizom, de ne legyen benne tej, meg tejfol, meg tejszin[17:47:21] timcsoka says: könnyű neked főzni[17:47:32] Titok Babapua says: hmm?[17:47:33] timcsoka says: örülj nekei h enni kapsz tőlem[17:47:47] timcsoka says: nemhogy itt válogatni[17:47:58] timcsoka says: nem vagy te herceg[17:48:10] Titok Babapua says: tudtam, hogy ez beut neked.[17:48:10] timcsoka says: joco herceg[17:48:18] timcsoka says: vicces
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felvettem az egeszet mp3-ba. konyvesboltban nyomtam. nagyon halk voltam. feljebb kell vennem legkozelebb a mikrofon erzekenyseget. nagy volt a zaj. lehet, hogy a mikrofonnak nem tett jot, hogy betakartam a zsebemmel. eleg halkan beszeltem, a csaj sokat rohogott, kb olyan agi szintu volt, a mellei nagyobbak voltak, a feje talan rondabb, habar a fasztudja, elvezes kozben hogyan ertekelnem at a helyzetet, de hatarozottan nem egy barbibaba feje volt. mondjuk egy 7-es, vagy 6.5-es. ha a debbie 7-es, a magyar csaj mondjuk 8-as, na jo ez is megerdemli a 7-es kategoriat, agi 7-es, adrienn 7-es. harmincas 8-as, dorabipsi, 7.5, rajottem, ket kategoriat kell nyitni, face es body. sot a body-t le lehet irni, face-t is le lehet irni. a csaj teste 9-es volt, a feje 5-os, mert hulladekok voltak a fogai, amugy a nagy csocsi egesz jok voltak, mindegy, megadta az emailcimet, legkozelebb jobban kell nyomnom, es logisztikai kerdeseket is be kell iktatnom, bokokat kell neki nyomnom, refrimenget, mixed signals, kerdeseket, rapport, a daygame az nem mas mint rapport, minimal dhv, vigyazni kell arra, hogy mi a kontext, sot talan kontexet is kell neki nyomnom, hmmm.... erdekes, ezt kell majd gyakorolnom a nagyon helyes nokkel is. mondjuk ha a debbiet szednem fel egy szupermarketben, akkor fontos lenne a kontext, rapport, diskvalifikacio? vagy inkabb mixed signals? esetleg felebreszteni benne a vagyat valami irant amit csak tolem kaphat meg? nem tudom miert de ugy erzem, hogy az nlp tema, az egyre fontosabb lesz. irjon emailt akit erdekel a felvetel, de lehet h. majd felteszem ide.
levelvaltas a puakkal
Hello REMbraNT,
Brent-et miert birod? Ha jol emlekszem vele kezdodik a Cliff's List 2005, Jo fej, kellemes, de keves anyag van tole, mindossze DDA interview, szeminariumok es Cliff's List amit talaltam, vagy van valami sajat DVD-je?
Neked miben jelentkezett leginkabb a sikered? Csinaltal statsztikat?
Elozo levelemben kicsit pesszimista hangvetelu lehettem, ami csaloka lehet, mert kb 2 honapja kezdem el erezni az igazi sikereket. Nem olyan nagy sikerek, de latvanyosak. Peldaul tegnap egy agyban aludtam egy olyan novel, akirol azt hittem, hogy soha nem kapom meg. (semmi mas nem tortent, meg nem is smaroltunk, csak egy kis kino).
Nekem is van egy kedvenc szovegem, amit mostanaban hasznalok: eszrevettem rajtad, hogy te X (intelligens, erzekeny, zarkozott, nyitott... ) vagy, erdekes, hogy a barataim sokszor mondjak rolam, hogy en is olyan vagyok, hmmm... talan azert tudlak olyan jol megerteni, mert hasonloak vagyunk?, nem tudom, viszont pont ez a hasonlosag az oka annak, hogy elovigyazatossabb vagyok veled, egy hasonlo mely kapcsolat ket ember kozott neha tul eros lehet, hmmm.... szerintem jobb lesz ha inkabb csak baratok maradunk.... (Swingcat alapu technika: undermining rapport)
Szoval a kerdes az az, Neked, mi segitett a legtobbet? Mi az a technika amit legjobban szeretsz hasznalni?
Vannak kedvenc rutinjaid?
-------- REMbraNT wrote: --------
Ahoy
Mostanában akiket bírok, Brent, Juggler, Stephane az ideagasmstől, és pickup101
Azt írod keveset voltál terepen. Akkor nem is nagyon gyakoroltál, így persze hogy eredmények sincsenek. EGyébként szerintem ez az egész kihat az emberre minden téren, vagyis az élet bármely területén hasznát veheted az infónak. Nők vannak mindenütt, szóval...
Igen, nappalozni is szoktam, sőt én is csak ezt szeretem, a diszkók annyira nem vonzanak. Mondjuk két lehetőség van, vagy azért nem szólítod le mert félsz, vagy mert nemtudod mi a teendő:) Utóbbi esetről azért csak tudsz már valamit ha 1.5 éve vagy benne ebbe. De valóban, swinggcattől nem nagyon hallottam még direct openert, úgyhogy nappali műszak esetén rá nem nagyon számíthatsz. Mondok egy jó nyitást amit hallottam, elég jó direkt nyitás.
Lényegében akkor legyen kettő. Egyik hogyha szemezel egy nővel akkor odamész és ezt mondod: -Te is tetszel nekem
A másik:-Ha beszélgetnénk egy kicsit, mit gondolsz, megbánnám a végén?
Persze mondhatod a klasszikus direkt nyitást is, hogy -ahogy sétáltam megláttalak, és nagyon tetszel nekem, szeretnélek megismerni.
Húzz bele!:)
-------- babapua wrote: --------
Hi REMbraNT,
Neked ki a kedvenc gurud?Nekem swinggcat. Sokat tanulok tole a push-pull rol.Sok peldat mond, a strukturat jol kovethetem.
Mennyire jott be neked a cucc?Nekem eddig nem igazan jott be az elmult 1.5 ev alatt, miota bennevagyok.Sajnos. Az OK: nagyon keveset voltam a TEREP-en.
Ami nekem altalaban bejott, az : NLP, bodylanguage, tonality,magic.
Szoktal daygame-et nyomni? Azert kerdezem, mert engem ez vonz, de nagyon. Minden hetvegen Frankfurtban kovalygokfels, ala es megis keptelen vagyok noket leszolitani, valami jo opener kellene.
Negy nagy sticiking pointom van: opening, attraction, emotional connection,physical connection(phase shift) , azaz gyakorlatilag minden.
Udv.,
Babapua
a cucc mukodik
felelmetes. ujabb bizonyitekot szereztem. ma egy 8.5-os agyaban aludtam.
Aginal jobb! (persze csak bizonyos szemszogbol) Amikor eloszor lattam a csajt, azt hittem, hogy
nekem ilyen nom soha az eletben nem lesz. nem smaroltam le, de buzeraltuk kicsit
egymas pocseit es pinait. a tema magyarul ment. sok swingcat stuffot nyomtan, DHV-t, reframinget, patterneket, sajnos nagyon kemeny LMR-em volt. a csaj nagyon szep. tenyleg.
friss, fiatal punci. feszes, szeparcu, tokeletes kurni es szopatni is egyszerre. es ami a vicc bazmeg: a baratnoje is befekudt mellem az agyba ot meg kemenyen megcsocsoresztem ugy, hogy ott volt a baratja (AFC) is a masik szobaban. bazmeg. a cucc mukodik! a szitu meg csak most kezdodik, mert megtalaltam a legnagyob online community-t. felelmetes. bazmeg, 5 oras klippgyujtemeny, filmekbol osszevagva, hogy mi az alfa viselkedes, testbeszed, flortoles, stb.... bazmeg. behalok.
4000 PUA es leendo PUA. amugy ma 2 csajt szolitottam le a boltokban. vagy talan 3-at? mindegy, egy srac mondott nekem egy ket jo direkt openert:
Szemezes utan: -Te is tetszel nekem.
Masik: -Ha beszelgetnenk egy kicsit, mit gondolsz, megbannam a vegen?
patters to be developed
boyfriend destroyer pattern: she has to feel safe, she can fuck me anytime, when she wants, she will not feel uncomfortable with that, she should know this, even if she has a boyfriend.
semmi kedvem irni ebbe a szarba
Sticking points:
1) Emotional connection ("I am your lover" routine by Babapua, IC pattern, EV, qualifying, patterning, SOI, Find out more about her!)
2) Physical connection (palm reading, 3 mouse, Don juan de marco - finger routine, massage, high five, handshake, dance, IC pattern, SOI)
3) Daytime opening, very very big sticking point (I am working currently on openers, "Where is the post?"-> postcard routine, "Can you give me a tempo?" -> parfume routine, ... what more?)
4) Banter, cocky and funny (Swinggcat's stuff, push-pull, "this relationship will never work out, you know why? we are too similar")
5) alcohol (Daygame solves this issue.)
6) Phase-shift, kiss close, kino, soi, make the ho say no!
7) Finding wingmens
8) Calibration
9) Finding out more about her, finding her motivation, finding the holes in her soul.
Good stuff, but I still have to improve:
1) Displaying my personality (photo routine, card tricks, money levitation, stories)
2) Body language, tonality, eye contact, reading the meta frame, learning, being vague,
patterning.
3) Pretty much girls in my life, succes.
fuck all this fucking sticking points
pretty much sticking point, lot of work, only in the field can I improve them.
it is important to realise them.
other important point: this is a number's game!
THIS IS A NUMBER'S GAME!
THIS IS A NUMBER'S GAME!
daygame
Read that first-------Originally Posted by ExplorerIn clubs I have a conceptual model of how things work. I can’t execute everything correctly yet, but the outline is there.Don't try street approaches until you have the newbie mission down. Plain and simple. Day game is a slight variation and you need sold calibration from running the newbie mission or you'll have old ladies hitting you with a purse.Quote:Originally Posted by ExplorerFor street sarging I have no idea how to do it. I have done lots of street approaches using an opener - getting there opinion - ejecting. But it does not lead anywhere.Women in the bar are in a social mood with an environment that naturally pumps up their emotions. On the street, they're not social. And their emotions are in the frigid zone. Further, they're locked into their routine. ie, they have plans other than hanging out on the street.You need to:1. interrupt their routine2. get them social3. pump their emotionsHow do you do this? Get her to laugh. Use a one line ball buster, a misinterpretation, cocky/funny, etc. Once she laughs, you've accomplished all 3. From there, IMMEDIATELY stack into a routine.You have 2-5 minutes to escalate kino and qualify the girl. After that, she'll need to get back to what she was doing. Timebridge or mini-date her soon as she qualifies.Quote:Originally Posted by ExplorerAre you supposed to stack material, just like in clubs?Yes, but doing this before the woman is socially receptive will blow you out.Quote:Originally Posted by ExplorerI have read about going for an instant date, and can see it working if you are Pua, but I am nowhere near that level yet.This is no different from bouncing a chick to another venue at the bar.Quote:Originally Posted by ExplorerSo how do you practice street/mall game?1. Complete the newbie mission.2. Calibrate day game openers. You should have good one liners from your newbie mission, and some decent neutral opinion openers. Use them.3. Day game mission. You guessed it. Another newbie mission. Less intense. Sarge 4 days a week at a college, mall or coffee shop. There's no x sets per day on this mission. You might hit one set and run it for four hours.Happy Hunting-------Do you guys have any SPECIFIC, GOOD daygame openers?
